20/20 segment on the tradeoff's in healthcare reform

Good story on some of what you have to give up to expand healthcare coverage. It's not all win-win when you disincentive 20% of the economy.

Hat tip to my partner, Dr. Jason Jack BTW!


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"Going Dutch" for ideas on healthcare reform


There's a real lovely article in the NY Times Sunday magazine about the Netherlands. The ostensible focus is on the social welfare network of the state, and contrasting an American expat's experience there. One of the issues discussed is health care, a very timely topic as it relates to the United States.

Since I started writing Plastic Surgery 101 in December 2004, I've periodically touched on medical economics as it's something that's fascinating both personally and professionally. It's been clear for several decades that we're creeping towards some type of state funded system ("Universal healthcare"), and the time table has sped up due to a couple of factors

  • the coming retirement of the bulk of the baby boomers. A demographic who has always been described as somewhat self-entitled. Their clout and collective zeitgeist are proving a potent voice in this.
  • the economic incentives of employers and unions coming into alignment on this. Someone wrote a few years ago that when Wal Mart decided it was time for universal health care, then discussions would happen in earnest.
  • a liberal president has a aggressively liberal congress and slight liberal majority senate
  • the real estate and stock market crisis have made not having both a job and health insurance a reality for a lot of middle, upper-middle, and white-collar classes.


  • I've been convinced that we're going to end up with a public-private system where basic care is covered and people with more money will be able to purchase higher levels of care or convenience to care. It's what actually exists in most of the world. There will still be moaning and gnashing of teeth about unequal access, quality, etc... but we'll be better off then we are on the whole.

    Anyway, there's a great descriptor of this in the article I was referring to, "Going Dutch"

    "The Dutch health care system was drastically revamped in 2006, and its new incarnation has come in for a lot of international scrutiny. “The previous system was actually introduced in 1944 by the Germans, while they were paying our country a visit,” said Hans Hoogervorst, the former minister of public health who developed and implemented the new system three years ago. The old system involved a vast patchwork of insurers and depended on heavy government regulation to keep costs down. Hoogervorst — a conservative economist and devout believer in the powers of the free market — wanted to streamline and privatize the system, to offer consumers their choice of insurers and plans but also to ensure that certain conditions were maintained via regulation and oversight. It is illegal in the current system for an insurance company to refuse to accept a client, or to charge more for a client based on age or health. Where in the United States insurance companies try to wriggle out of covering chronically ill patients, in the Dutch system the government oversees a fund from which insurers that take on more high-cost clients can be compensated. It seems to work. A study by the Commonwealth Fund found that 54 percent of chronically ill patients in the United States avoided some form of medical attention in 2008 because of costs, while only 7 percent of chronically ill people in the Netherlands did so for financial reasons.

    The Dutch are free-marketers, but they also have a keen sense of fairness. As Hoogervorst noted, “The average Dutch person finds it completely unacceptable that people with more money would get better health care.” The solution to balancing these opposing tendencies was to have one guaranteed base level of coverage in the new health scheme, to which people can add supplemental coverage that they pay extra for. Each insurance company offers its own packages of supplements.

    Nobody thinks the Dutch health care system is perfect. Many people complain that the new insurance costs more than the old. “That’s true, but that’s because the old system just didn’t charge enough, so society ended up paying for it in other ways,” said Anais Rubingh, who works as a general practitioner in Amsterdam. The complaint I hear from some expat Americans is that while the Dutch system covers everyone, and does a good job with broken bones and ruptured appendixes, it falls behind American care when it comes to conditions that involve complicated procedures. Hoogervorst acknowledged this — to a point. “There is no doubt the U.S. has the best medical care in the world — for those who can pay the top prices,” he said. “I’m sure the top 5 percent of hospitals there are better than the top 5 percent here. But with that exception, I would say overall quality is the same in the two countries.”


    While free associating on things Dutch, Sasha Cohen's Borat paid Amsterdam a visit a few years back. Good stuff!

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    Is Canada's health system overdue for an "Extreme Makeover"?


    I've pointed out here on Plastic Surgery 101 that despite the dysfunction of the American health care system, the alternatives in other western nations have their own problems. In 2007 I posed the question "So You Think You Want Universal Health care?" and featured Dr. Val's review of "Sicko" which glowingly featured other countries' systems.

    It was particularly interesting to me to see the "religious conversion" of one Claude Castonguay on this topic. Who is Claude Castonguay? He's the father of Canada's socialized medicine program. After four decades, he finally admitting that the system he laid out for Canada is failing to meet both the medical needs of beneficiaries as well as the budget needs of the individual Canadian provinces. Castonguay now advocates contracting out services to the private sector and American-style co-pays for patients who want to see physicians.

    For an interesting overview on this, read the Investor's Business Daily editorial page article "Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits". The Canadian author, David Gratzer, has written extensively on Canada's uneasy relationship with their countries health program.


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    Trying to steer patients (and doctors) thru the right kind of cancer treatment


    There's an article in the today's (Sunday) New York Times "Cancer Patients, Lost in a Maze of Uneven Care" that hit home to me. It lays out the difficulty for patients in finding the right doctors and the correct treatment when you have cancer.

    The article highlights some consensus statements on general principles of cancer treatment by the National Comprehensive Center Network. This information is useful to get your feet wet on learning about cancer treatment and can be found here. Several specialists at super-tertiary cancer programs comment on the "shocking" lack of standardized care in many instances in how common cancers are treated. Implicit in some of these statements is the notion that you have to go to some super-duper place like Memorial Sloan-Kettering (MSK) in NYC or MD-Anderson in Houston,TX for cancer treatment.

    This is an absolutely ridiculous idea to me in most instances, except for certain surgical procedures which are only done commonly by a handful of super tertiary specialists. Post-operative morbidity & mortality for some of these procedures seems to directly correlate with volume, and volume tends to accumulate in small numbers of hands. However, I work commonly with community surgeons (a number of whom trained at places like MSK) who do higher numbers of these cases then the local super sized University-based teaching hospital.

    Cancers of the liver, stomach, esophagus, pancreas, brain, and advanced head and neck tumors are the ones where I think you may be better off finding one of these specialists. For breast or colon cancer it's asinine to suggest you get better surgical treatment. For chemotherapy or radiation therapy the same "cookbook" for standard treatment exists whether you're in Manhattan or Mobile,AL and you shouldn't need to travel for it. Certain investigational trials (which again aren't standard and weren't the focus of the NYT article, may require you to go to regional cancer centers)

    There's a patient in the article with aggressive stage IV colon cancer with liver spread who was (appropriately I think) counseled on the futility of extra aggressive chemotherapy and suggested a palliative regimen. She's used as an example of "under treatment" when she visits a referral center in Seattle that later used more then twenty cycles of chemotherapy to likely extend her life by less then a year and subsequently went to Johns Hopkins in Baltimore for what sounds like an ill-advised radical liver resection. Ironically my little brother is actually an oncology fellow at Johns Hopkins.

    Even more ironic, is that last week I authored a section about surgical treatment of liver metastasis in the colon cancer entry on Wikipedia. Small world, eh?

    No mention is made of exactly how gruelling this kind of therapy is, nor is there any perspective of the costs of treatment to the system. This was over $400,000 of dollars more expensive then what was recommended by her first oncologist. In an aside to the debate over "Sicko" and government health systems, you can bet that this treatment would not be subsidized by universal health care systems in most of the rest of the world.

    As part of the food-chain of the oncology system, most often for breast and skin cancer, I see this all the time. One of the frustrations of breast reconstruction is trying to read the tea leaves about what kind of chemotherapy, radiation, and mastectomy a patient will receive. Variations in any of these can dramatically affect the quality of reconstruction, which is more of a tertiary concern from an oncology perspective but is often the most important from the patients perspective.

    I'm just a "dumb skin doctor" these days but in scanning the NCCN recommendations on breast cancer treatment, I found a number of statements I thought either wrong, misleading, or at least up for debate. In particular they seem to be rather eager to irradiate people (for little or no benefit) and still wedded to the idea of "lumpectomy for all". When younger women, whom generally have aggressive tumor characteristics, are made to understand that (at approaching two decades follow up) between 15-19% of people treated with lumpectomy and radiation may have local recurrence of their invasive breast cancer, the rationale and enthusiasm for breast conservation diminishes sharply.

    Plastic surgeons are particularly tuned in to the problems of radiation as we inherit them for reconstruction. By and large, if you considering a lumpectomy with radiation, you do not want to ask a Plastic Surgeon's opinion of it as we disproportionately see the complications. That's a post for another day.

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    "Dead Meat", a portrayal of the other side of socialized medicine "Sicko" glosses over.


    Michael Moore was on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Mathews Monday and was his usual obnoxious (I ironically mean that in a good way with Mr. Moore) self, promoting his documentary, "Sicko" and the idea that Socialized medical care is a panacea.


    At least he had the honesty to admit that a number of Americans will receive "worse" care (at least in terms of convenient access) then they currently enjoy. The philosophical arguments about healthcare and how much it's a right versus a commodity is an important one to have, and, "Sicko" has galvanized the debate. A perfect storm exists for progress on this issue in that big business, labor unions, and the zeitgeist of the country all support a universal system in the abstract sense. The devil's in the details and $$$$ involved.

    While federal systems enjoy popular support in other countries, it's not all milk & honey. It's ironic that as many as 15-20% of citizens are estimated to seek care outside the government run systems in western Europe that are lionized by activists. The system Moore champions (like only Canada, Cuba, & North Korea's - an unlikely triad) would not tolerate any private sector competition for care delivery or services as it would undercut the federal system and prove more popular with many patients with financial wherewithal. Write this down, THIS WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED IN THE UNITED STATES, so I don't think that system is worth discussing in depth.

    There's a real alternate take on the Canadian system celebrated by Mr. Moore in "Sicko" by the underground film hit "Dead Meat" which features Canadians frustrations with the reality of long waits for imaging studies, orthopedic surgery, cancer treatments, and even cardiac surgery. It's ironic in Canada that you can actually buy health insurance for your pet, but not yourself or child.

    Anecdotes are a poor way to determine public policy, but it goes to show that you just don't get something for nothing.

    Click on the screen below to watch "Dead Meat"


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    Dr. Val's & Obama's advisor's astute comments on Micael Moore's "Sicko"


    I found a great post by Dr. Val on dissecting Michael Moore's "Sicko" documentary. In this film Moore pushes a 100% socialized solution with universal federal medicare-type coverage, modestly salaried physicians, and no ability for people to pay for premium services even if they have the financial ability. Health-care's a mess, but we're not ready to throw the baby out with the bath water.


    This idea of a complete socialistic medical system is a non-starter in our country IMO and Dr. Val has some interesting cultural observations on why this is so . She has the perspective of having lived in the Canadian & UK systems, while practicing here now in the USA. I agree 100% with her observations. If you impose the VA system on everyone (which is already an American micro-economic scale "Universal Health" system of sorts), you're going to have more people with basic coverage (a great thing) with better and more standardized medical records (another great thing), while at the same time alienating both Doctors and patients with the red tape, restrictions, and inflexible cost-containment measures those in the VA system are familiar with.

    Dr. Val writes:




    If they were served up the Canadian system, they’d scream at the tax rates, and become hysterical at the inability to trade up to a platinum level of care for those who have “earned it.” They would not accept the long lines for care and would immediately start a scheme for off-shoring medicine to circumvent the lines.




    If Americans were offered the French system, they’d be immediately annoyed by the inconvenience of the office hours (months of vacation are taken at a time by all members of society, including doctors), they’d never use the preventive health measures (they don’t have time for that stuff), and although they’d be glad to receive home health aides for no more excuse than - “I just had a baby and I’d like a government worker to clean my house” – when they
    saw the tax rates it would take to make this available to all, they’d find it unacceptable, especially with such high copays and out of pocket expenses..

    Over at Slate.com there are some articles about "Sicko" as well. I found the comments by one of Sen. Barack Obama's health care policy guys very interesting. He dismisses Moore's call for a radical single payer system overhaul and astutely observes:



    But the main problem with Moore's policy solution is that a national health system wouldn't fix one of our health care system's main flaws—one that people really hate—the denial of service. It just changes who decides, so that the government makes the call.

    In one heart-wrenching case in the movie, a woman whose husband has kidney cancer is told by the insurance people that they won't allow an experimental treatment that might save his life. But that scene would likely play out just the same way in a nationalized health system. In those systems, cost-effectiveness decisions get made all the time. Care is rationed. That's what happens if you offer something for free—you have to make rules about who is allowed to get it. So, you forbid smokers from having heart bypasses, or, in a more recent debate in the U.K. about a new hay fever medicine, you just say the medicine is too expensive to be used.

    So, to do as Moore wants in the United States, you would need to do more than just overcome the insurance industry. You would need to cut the salaries of doctors, reform the legal system, enrage our allies by causing their prescription drug costs to escalate, and accustom patients to a central decision-maker authorized to determine what procedures they are and are not allowed to get. Unless every one of these changes comes together, Moore's new system would end up costing an enormous amount of money.
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    So you think you want Universal Healthcare?


    While the United States lurches towards some kind of Universal Healthcare plan, the alternative is not always palatable.

    From Britain's Telegraph Daily
    A NHS surgeon today exposed how cash-strapped hospitals were being barred from operating on cancer patients who had not waited long enough.

    Wayne Jaffe laid the blame for the appalling state of affairs at the feet of Tony Blair, with his vision of reduced waiting times and 24-hour surgery. In a withering assessment of the financial management of the health service, Mr Jaffe said that doctors were being restricted in getting waiting lists down by financial limitations and ever-changing targets.

    The consultant plastic and reconstructive surgeon, who specialises in skin cancer and breast reconstruction, said he and his colleagues are being prohibited from operating in non-urgent cases
    unless the patient has been waiting for a minimum of 20 weeks.
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